It is quite plausible and I believe quite likely that the finale of the show that plays out in Season 6 is on some sort of "God" scale that intertwines a lot of the themes present in earlier seasons like fate, coincidence and science. Between Seasons Three and Four I thought the battle for the island was largely going to be fought between Widmore and Linus, which -while it is a theme in the show- is obviously incorrect. But the bigger question if it is the case that Season 6 is played out on a "God" level is so what? What or how is "victory" defined for Jacob and the MIB?
Throughout the seasons we've seen a progression of "good" vs. "evil": Season One: 815 Survivors vs. 815 Survivors, Survivors vs. Rosseau, Season Two: Survivors vs. Others Season Three: Survivors vs. Others, Emergence of Widmore vs. Linus Season Four: Survivors/Others vs. Frigate Landing Party, Linus vs. Widmore Season Five: Survivors vs. Time Season Six: Survivors & Compatriots vs. ?
Point being here is that: 1.) The Survivors of 815 have found themselves in battles that increasingly grow in complexity and risk (i.e. Season One, some crazy French Lady; Season Five, they battle time) 2.) There has been a shifting perspective of who is good and who is bad. Crazy guy locked in a hatch, initially takes Kate hostage and books into the jungle later turns out to be a quiet friendly Desmond. We can never be sure of Linus' intentions, but his interactions with the survivors has grown increasingly friendly through the seasons.
Obviously Jacob has some sort of plan in place, which he revealed to Hurley (i.e. Sayid must live) in the case either of his death or his planned death. My guess is that Jacob planned to die as he didn't fight too hard when Ben stabbed him. Additionally: 1.) Jacob knew that the MIB wanted to kill him (from their interaction on the beach "Do you know how badly I want to kill you right now?") and 2.) Jacob revealed to the MIB that "They're coming" which the Smoke Monster/Fake Locke/MIB didn't seem to like too much and 3.) Jacob seemed to have "brought" the ship, most likely the Blackrock, to the island which starts the chain of events which leads us to today.
Jacob's actions, if planned, would most likely be in an attempt to close the mentioned "Loophole" that the MIB mentioned and prove the MIB "wrong" as mentioned in their conversation on the beach perhaps giving Jacob victory. Further you are correct that this battle could be played out over and over again for hundreds of years because of the MIB's comment that "They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same." Personally, I'd be a bit disappointed if the Survivors were simply mortal pawns in a game between two "Gods" fighting over and over and over again in a loop about the merits of time. The whole loop time travel battle reminds me of this Star Trek episode (yes, NERDS UNITE!) where the crew of the Enterprise is caught in a space/time distortion of 17 days that always results in the collision of the USS Enterprise with another Federation ship that has been missing for 80 years.
Again this to complete this "God" theory victory for either side will have to be defined and I imagine we'll start to see that played out over the last season or even held out till the last few episodes.
I was going to call you a nerd for this Star Trek reference, then I realized that I had just spent hours formulating a theory on a science fiction tv show...I then swallowed my pride and joined the club!
I'm digging this theory quite a bit. The whole show is just so mind boggling to me. It makes me feel so inferior to the writers. A.K.A. how the heck to you keep it all straight and what not. Anyway... I'm perticulary interested AJ in what you said about the "Lists" and Richard and if the Losties are truely just pawns for an entire game. I would like to see if this theory has any validity. Great Work!!!!
AJ -- I LOVE this theory! I as well think this show is a complete mystery, and might always be. But this theory really makes me wonder if this is what they are trying to tell us.
I hope in your blog post about tonight's episode you will talk about the "numbers" in correlation to the Losties names ... this was a BIG clue for us, I think. I am excited to hear what you have to say next!
sounds legit.
ReplyDeleteIt is quite plausible and I believe quite likely that the finale of the show that plays out in Season 6 is on some sort of "God" scale that intertwines a lot of the themes present in earlier seasons like fate, coincidence and science. Between Seasons Three and Four I thought the battle for the island was largely going to be fought between Widmore and Linus, which -while it is a theme in the show- is obviously incorrect. But the bigger question if it is the case that Season 6 is played out on a "God" level is so what? What or how is "victory" defined for Jacob and the MIB?
ReplyDeleteThroughout the seasons we've seen a progression of "good" vs. "evil":
Season One: 815 Survivors vs. 815 Survivors, Survivors vs. Rosseau,
Season Two: Survivors vs. Others
Season Three: Survivors vs. Others, Emergence of Widmore vs. Linus
Season Four: Survivors/Others vs. Frigate Landing Party, Linus vs. Widmore
Season Five: Survivors vs. Time
Season Six: Survivors & Compatriots vs. ?
Point being here is that:
1.) The Survivors of 815 have found themselves in battles that increasingly grow in complexity and risk (i.e. Season One, some crazy French Lady; Season Five, they battle time)
2.) There has been a shifting perspective of who is good and who is bad. Crazy guy locked in a hatch, initially takes Kate hostage and books into the jungle later turns out to be a quiet friendly Desmond. We can never be sure of Linus' intentions, but his interactions with the survivors has grown increasingly friendly through the seasons.
Obviously Jacob has some sort of plan in place, which he revealed to Hurley (i.e. Sayid must live) in the case either of his death or his planned death. My guess is that Jacob planned to die as he didn't fight too hard when Ben stabbed him. Additionally:
1.) Jacob knew that the MIB wanted to kill him (from their interaction on the beach "Do you know how badly I want to kill you right now?") and
2.) Jacob revealed to the MIB that "They're coming" which the Smoke Monster/Fake Locke/MIB didn't seem to like too much and
3.) Jacob seemed to have "brought" the ship, most likely the Blackrock, to the island which starts the chain of events which leads us to today.
Jacob's actions, if planned, would most likely be in an attempt to close the mentioned "Loophole" that the MIB mentioned and prove the MIB "wrong" as mentioned in their conversation on the beach perhaps giving Jacob victory. Further you are correct that this battle could be played out over and over again for hundreds of years because of the MIB's comment that "They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same." Personally, I'd be a bit disappointed if the Survivors were simply mortal pawns in a game between two "Gods" fighting over and over and over again in a loop about the merits of time. The whole loop time travel battle reminds me of this Star Trek episode (yes, NERDS UNITE!) where the crew of the Enterprise is caught in a space/time distortion of 17 days that always results in the collision of the USS Enterprise with another Federation ship that has been missing for 80 years.
Again this to complete this "God" theory victory for either side will have to be defined and I imagine we'll start to see that played out over the last season or even held out till the last few episodes.
Star Trek episode is here:
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_and_Effect
Grant,
ReplyDeleteI was going to call you a nerd for this Star Trek reference, then I realized that I had just spent hours formulating a theory on a science fiction tv show...I then swallowed my pride and joined the club!
I'm digging this theory quite a bit. The whole show is just so mind boggling to me. It makes me feel so inferior to the writers. A.K.A. how the heck to you keep it all straight and what not. Anyway... I'm perticulary interested AJ in what you said about the "Lists" and Richard and if the Losties are truely just pawns for an entire game. I would like to see if this theory has any validity. Great Work!!!!
ReplyDeleteAJ -- I LOVE this theory! I as well think this show is a complete mystery, and might always be. But this theory really makes me wonder if this is what they are trying to tell us.
ReplyDeleteI hope in your blog post about tonight's episode you will talk about the "numbers" in correlation to the Losties names ... this was a BIG clue for us, I think. I am excited to hear what you have to say next!
Keep up the great writing!